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  1. the-hunger-festivities:

magicalorphanboy:

bronzebasilisk:

ryunwoofie:

sonneillonv:

autumn-and-eve:

erinsmomma:

How can someone stand behind abortion, when you have a life inside of you that God created for you? How can you say that this life isn’t worth it? If you can’t take care of the baby for whatever circumstances than there is always adoption available to couples who can’t conceive, but still want the joy of being parents. OPEN YOUR EYES! God has bigger plans for us all that we don’t even realize the picture.

Excuse me but it appears your baby is actually upside downDid you take Sex Ed freshman year because babies come out headfirst

Hi, OP!  As someone who was given up for adoption, allow me to call bullshit on your little post there!  You see, when I was adopted, I was a white-skinned, healthy, neurotypical infant, which basically put me at the top of the list, right underneath white-skinned, healthy, neurotypical MALE infants!  There’s only one kind of infant people wanted to adopt more than me!  I was SOOO lucky!  But if you actually bothered to look at the information readily available on the interwebs, you would be aware that the majority of people who are forced to rely on abortion for family planning are poor people and people of color.  Of course, those two demographics intersect, thanks to the institutionalized racism of our society!  Neat huh?!
Of course, even babies of color are not in high demand with couples looking to adopt.  Many who do want to adopt outside their race choose to go outside the country, where laws are less strict and the process is often less expensive.  Of course, most of the infants adopted this way are obtained in unscrupulous fashion, but who cares about that when you’re saving a little Korean or African baby from the horrible fate of growing up in Korea or Africa???  And all those children who have birth defects, are born with diseases or disabilities, or have other issues… WELL.  Who wants to invest that kind of expense and time?  Why would you adopt someone broken, LOLOL?!
Granted, there are some wonderful people who understand the system a little better, and make it a point to try and give POC and disabled children a good home.  But they make up a very small fraction of potential adopters!  This difference in supply and demand leaves a lot of children stuck in the foster system, where their chances of being adopted diminish with every passing year, and their chances of being physically or sexually abused INCREASE!  Isn’t that wonderful?
And of course, we haven’t even talked about the person who is giving birth to the baby!  I know you probably think pregnancy is a wonderful, happy time, and for some people it is, but it is also one of the greatest health risks a person can take. I love my son very much, and from the day I found out I was pregnant with him, I wanted him!  But I also nearly died giving birth to him.  You see, I had pre-eclampsia, the most commonly fatal birth complication in the world.  My blood pressure was 180 over 130!  At twenty-two years old, I was actually headed for a stroke, hah hah!  How funny is that?  And all it took was missing a single pre-natal appointment during which my blood pressure rose to dangerous levels and my body tried to kill both me and my son.  Those seizures sure were fun, as was the emergency c-section performed without anesthetic!  And being chained down while the operation was performed, because I was delirious and wouldn’t stop trying to fight off the doctors, that was a BLAST!  It was great for my husband too, since he almost lost his wife and child in just forty-five minutes.  You can imagine how thrilled he is at the prospect of me ever getting pregnant again.  Babies are certainly cute, but pregnancy can have massive health complications, and I know it’s such a bummer, but they are PERMANENT.  :(  My abdominal muscles never recovered from being hacked through with a scalpel, and the flood of hormones caused by late pregnancy have changed things from heartburn (never used to have it, now, all the time!) to my emotional reactions (I cry when I see pictures of kittens now.  I used to be tough).  These are changes I did not ask for, cannot control, and cannot fix!  And many people go through worse!  I know, right?  Unbelievable, but go look up the word ‘episiotomy’ and then look up ‘birth rape’ and I’m afraid you’ll find some stuff that just isn’t very shiny.  Plus, the studies actually show that people who carry a baby to term, give birth, then give it up for adoption suffer HIGHER rates of post-pregnancy complications like post-partum depression and post-partum psychosis, general depression, and other mental health issues.  Adoption actually isn’t good for the person giving birth at all!
I’m afraid the picture you chose to use there is also pretty disingenuous.  I know, I know, it seems like nitpicking.  I’m not trying to be mean!  :(  But that picture shows a fully developed, viable infant, and most abortions are performed when the fetus isn’t even a fetus - it’s a blastocyst.  That’s just a clump of cells.  Seriously! You can totally find pictures on the interwebs and they’re not even gross, LOLOL!  Later-term abortions are usually performed because of health complications, though some of our intrepid state legislators are trying to change all that!  They care so much about people who are pregnant, you see, that they want to force them to carry dead or dying fetuses inside them until their body either becomes infected while it rots in their tummies (this is called sepsis, and it makes people very sick, and can even kill them!), or forces it out naturally in a gush of blood and fluids!  Isn’t that so caring of them?  I’m so glad they’re around to make those decisions for me!  And if a pregnant person is not allowed to terminate an unviable fetus, in some states, they have to carry the child to term, give birth to it, and then watch it die in their arms because its lungs weren’t developed, or its brain formed outside its skull, or any of a million possible birth defects that will kill you just as quick as lickity-split!  Isn’t that wild?!  Of course, these people go through terrible grief, and as I mentioned, some of them may get sick and die from not being able to abort dead or dying fetuses.  But I guess that’s just A-okay with you, huh?
Basically, I think before you suggest adoption as a universal alternative, you should actually go do some research on adoption.  And before you condemn abortion, you should do some research on abortions - not the stuff your church is giving you, the stuff the real doctors are saying.  Go to Planned Parenthood (if they haven’t all been closed down, ROFLMAO!) and request whatever information they have on the process, the statistics of who has abortions and why… and actually, all of that is on the interwebs!  Isn’t technology AMAZING?
And in closing, since I’ve been asked this question many times and I know it’s coming?  Yes, I realize I am here talking to you because I was not aborted.  But the thing is, if my mother had chosen abortion, I wouldn’t know the difference, so it wouldn’t matter to me.  And if she decided that choice was best for her, then that choice would have been best for her, and I would never want to take that choice away from her.  As it is, since I was given up for adoption, and since I have seen the statistics on how badly people who give their children up for adoption suffer, I have spent much of my adult life worrying about her, whether she’s healthy, whether she’s okay, and feeling that if she did suffer from any of the common post-birth symptoms, it is at least partially my fault, even though she made that decision on her own.  Which is silly, I know, but at some point, all children have to stare down the consequences of their parents’ having them.  For some, that’s poverty.  For others, a life-time of their parents struggling to treat and care for a severe illness or disability.  For others, it’s wondering if their mother ever got over giving them away, and wishing you could reach out and assure her that it’s okay, she doesn’t have to be haunted.
May your birth control never fail!

Pro.

Sonneillonv deserves a mother fucking standing ovation here.

Slow clap.

this is my favorite post because i think it’s the strongest argument for how abortion isn’t wrong and adoption is not always a solution so people should start researching and not just believing what ever is being shoved down their throats at church. This is not a slow clap this is thunderous boom of people all over the world saying thank you
the-hunger-festivities:

magicalorphanboy:

bronzebasilisk:

ryunwoofie:

sonneillonv:

autumn-and-eve:

erinsmomma:

How can someone stand behind abortion, when you have a life inside of you that God created for you? How can you say that this life isn’t worth it? If you can’t take care of the baby for whatever circumstances than there is always adoption available to couples who can’t conceive, but still want the joy of being parents. OPEN YOUR EYES! God has bigger plans for us all that we don’t even realize the picture.

Excuse me but it appears your baby is actually upside downDid you take Sex Ed freshman year because babies come out headfirst

Hi, OP!  As someone who was given up for adoption, allow me to call bullshit on your little post there!  You see, when I was adopted, I was a white-skinned, healthy, neurotypical infant, which basically put me at the top of the list, right underneath white-skinned, healthy, neurotypical MALE infants!  There’s only one kind of infant people wanted to adopt more than me!  I was SOOO lucky!  But if you actually bothered to look at the information readily available on the interwebs, you would be aware that the majority of people who are forced to rely on abortion for family planning are poor people and people of color.  Of course, those two demographics intersect, thanks to the institutionalized racism of our society!  Neat huh?!
Of course, even babies of color are not in high demand with couples looking to adopt.  Many who do want to adopt outside their race choose to go outside the country, where laws are less strict and the process is often less expensive.  Of course, most of the infants adopted this way are obtained in unscrupulous fashion, but who cares about that when you’re saving a little Korean or African baby from the horrible fate of growing up in Korea or Africa???  And all those children who have birth defects, are born with diseases or disabilities, or have other issues… WELL.  Who wants to invest that kind of expense and time?  Why would you adopt someone broken, LOLOL?!
Granted, there are some wonderful people who understand the system a little better, and make it a point to try and give POC and disabled children a good home.  But they make up a very small fraction of potential adopters!  This difference in supply and demand leaves a lot of children stuck in the foster system, where their chances of being adopted diminish with every passing year, and their chances of being physically or sexually abused INCREASE!  Isn’t that wonderful?
And of course, we haven’t even talked about the person who is giving birth to the baby!  I know you probably think pregnancy is a wonderful, happy time, and for some people it is, but it is also one of the greatest health risks a person can take. I love my son very much, and from the day I found out I was pregnant with him, I wanted him!  But I also nearly died giving birth to him.  You see, I had pre-eclampsia, the most commonly fatal birth complication in the world.  My blood pressure was 180 over 130!  At twenty-two years old, I was actually headed for a stroke, hah hah!  How funny is that?  And all it took was missing a single pre-natal appointment during which my blood pressure rose to dangerous levels and my body tried to kill both me and my son.  Those seizures sure were fun, as was the emergency c-section performed without anesthetic!  And being chained down while the operation was performed, because I was delirious and wouldn’t stop trying to fight off the doctors, that was a BLAST!  It was great for my husband too, since he almost lost his wife and child in just forty-five minutes.  You can imagine how thrilled he is at the prospect of me ever getting pregnant again.  Babies are certainly cute, but pregnancy can have massive health complications, and I know it’s such a bummer, but they are PERMANENT.  :(  My abdominal muscles never recovered from being hacked through with a scalpel, and the flood of hormones caused by late pregnancy have changed things from heartburn (never used to have it, now, all the time!) to my emotional reactions (I cry when I see pictures of kittens now.  I used to be tough).  These are changes I did not ask for, cannot control, and cannot fix!  And many people go through worse!  I know, right?  Unbelievable, but go look up the word ‘episiotomy’ and then look up ‘birth rape’ and I’m afraid you’ll find some stuff that just isn’t very shiny.  Plus, the studies actually show that people who carry a baby to term, give birth, then give it up for adoption suffer HIGHER rates of post-pregnancy complications like post-partum depression and post-partum psychosis, general depression, and other mental health issues.  Adoption actually isn’t good for the person giving birth at all!
I’m afraid the picture you chose to use there is also pretty disingenuous.  I know, I know, it seems like nitpicking.  I’m not trying to be mean!  :(  But that picture shows a fully developed, viable infant, and most abortions are performed when the fetus isn’t even a fetus - it’s a blastocyst.  That’s just a clump of cells.  Seriously! You can totally find pictures on the interwebs and they’re not even gross, LOLOL!  Later-term abortions are usually performed because of health complications, though some of our intrepid state legislators are trying to change all that!  They care so much about people who are pregnant, you see, that they want to force them to carry dead or dying fetuses inside them until their body either becomes infected while it rots in their tummies (this is called sepsis, and it makes people very sick, and can even kill them!), or forces it out naturally in a gush of blood and fluids!  Isn’t that so caring of them?  I’m so glad they’re around to make those decisions for me!  And if a pregnant person is not allowed to terminate an unviable fetus, in some states, they have to carry the child to term, give birth to it, and then watch it die in their arms because its lungs weren’t developed, or its brain formed outside its skull, or any of a million possible birth defects that will kill you just as quick as lickity-split!  Isn’t that wild?!  Of course, these people go through terrible grief, and as I mentioned, some of them may get sick and die from not being able to abort dead or dying fetuses.  But I guess that’s just A-okay with you, huh?
Basically, I think before you suggest adoption as a universal alternative, you should actually go do some research on adoption.  And before you condemn abortion, you should do some research on abortions - not the stuff your church is giving you, the stuff the real doctors are saying.  Go to Planned Parenthood (if they haven’t all been closed down, ROFLMAO!) and request whatever information they have on the process, the statistics of who has abortions and why… and actually, all of that is on the interwebs!  Isn’t technology AMAZING?
And in closing, since I’ve been asked this question many times and I know it’s coming?  Yes, I realize I am here talking to you because I was not aborted.  But the thing is, if my mother had chosen abortion, I wouldn’t know the difference, so it wouldn’t matter to me.  And if she decided that choice was best for her, then that choice would have been best for her, and I would never want to take that choice away from her.  As it is, since I was given up for adoption, and since I have seen the statistics on how badly people who give their children up for adoption suffer, I have spent much of my adult life worrying about her, whether she’s healthy, whether she’s okay, and feeling that if she did suffer from any of the common post-birth symptoms, it is at least partially my fault, even though she made that decision on her own.  Which is silly, I know, but at some point, all children have to stare down the consequences of their parents’ having them.  For some, that’s poverty.  For others, a life-time of their parents struggling to treat and care for a severe illness or disability.  For others, it’s wondering if their mother ever got over giving them away, and wishing you could reach out and assure her that it’s okay, she doesn’t have to be haunted.
May your birth control never fail!

Pro.

Sonneillonv deserves a mother fucking standing ovation here.

Slow clap.

this is my favorite post because i think it’s the strongest argument for how abortion isn’t wrong and adoption is not always a solution so people should start researching and not just believing what ever is being shoved down their throats at church. This is not a slow clap this is thunderous boom of people all over the world saying thank you
    High Resolution

    the-hunger-festivities:

    magicalorphanboy:

    bronzebasilisk:

    ryunwoofie:

    sonneillonv:

    autumn-and-eve:

    erinsmomma:

    How can someone stand behind abortion, when you have a life inside of you that God created for you? How can you say that this life isn’t worth it? If you can’t take care of the baby for whatever circumstances than there is always adoption available to couples who can’t conceive, but still want the joy of being parents. OPEN YOUR EYES! God has bigger plans for us all that we don’t even realize the picture.

    Excuse me but it appears your baby is actually upside down
    Did you take Sex Ed freshman year because babies come out headfirst

    Hi, OP!  As someone who was given up for adoption, allow me to call bullshit on your little post there!  You see, when I was adopted, I was a white-skinned, healthy, neurotypical infant, which basically put me at the top of the list, right underneath white-skinned, healthy, neurotypical MALE infants!  There’s only one kind of infant people wanted to adopt more than me!  I was SOOO lucky!  But if you actually bothered to look at the information readily available on the interwebs, you would be aware that the majority of people who are forced to rely on abortion for family planning are poor people and people of color.  Of course, those two demographics intersect, thanks to the institutionalized racism of our society!  Neat huh?!

    Of course, even babies of color are not in high demand with couples looking to adopt.  Many who do want to adopt outside their race choose to go outside the country, where laws are less strict and the process is often less expensive.  Of course, most of the infants adopted this way are obtained in unscrupulous fashion, but who cares about that when you’re saving a little Korean or African baby from the horrible fate of growing up in Korea or Africa???  And all those children who have birth defects, are born with diseases or disabilities, or have other issues… WELL.  Who wants to invest that kind of expense and time?  Why would you adopt someone broken, LOLOL?!

    Granted, there are some wonderful people who understand the system a little better, and make it a point to try and give POC and disabled children a good home.  But they make up a very small fraction of potential adopters!  This difference in supply and demand leaves a lot of children stuck in the foster system, where their chances of being adopted diminish with every passing year, and their chances of being physically or sexually abused INCREASE!  Isn’t that wonderful?

    And of course, we haven’t even talked about the person who is giving birth to the baby!  I know you probably think pregnancy is a wonderful, happy time, and for some people it is, but it is also one of the greatest health risks a person can take. I love my son very much, and from the day I found out I was pregnant with him, I wanted him!  But I also nearly died giving birth to him.  You see, I had pre-eclampsia, the most commonly fatal birth complication in the world.  My blood pressure was 180 over 130!  At twenty-two years old, I was actually headed for a stroke, hah hah!  How funny is that?  And all it took was missing a single pre-natal appointment during which my blood pressure rose to dangerous levels and my body tried to kill both me and my son.  Those seizures sure were fun, as was the emergency c-section performed without anesthetic!  And being chained down while the operation was performed, because I was delirious and wouldn’t stop trying to fight off the doctors, that was a BLAST!  It was great for my husband too, since he almost lost his wife and child in just forty-five minutes.  You can imagine how thrilled he is at the prospect of me ever getting pregnant again.  Babies are certainly cute, but pregnancy can have massive health complications, and I know it’s such a bummer, but they are PERMANENT.  :(  My abdominal muscles never recovered from being hacked through with a scalpel, and the flood of hormones caused by late pregnancy have changed things from heartburn (never used to have it, now, all the time!) to my emotional reactions (I cry when I see pictures of kittens now.  I used to be tough).  These are changes I did not ask for, cannot control, and cannot fix!  And many people go through worse!  I know, right?  Unbelievable, but go look up the word ‘episiotomy’ and then look up ‘birth rape’ and I’m afraid you’ll find some stuff that just isn’t very shiny.  Plus, the studies actually show that people who carry a baby to term, give birth, then give it up for adoption suffer HIGHER rates of post-pregnancy complications like post-partum depression and post-partum psychosis, general depression, and other mental health issues.  Adoption actually isn’t good for the person giving birth at all!

    I’m afraid the picture you chose to use there is also pretty disingenuous.  I know, I know, it seems like nitpicking.  I’m not trying to be mean!  :(  But that picture shows a fully developed, viable infant, and most abortions are performed when the fetus isn’t even a fetus - it’s a blastocyst.  That’s just a clump of cells.  Seriously! You can totally find pictures on the interwebs and they’re not even gross, LOLOL!  Later-term abortions are usually performed because of health complications, though some of our intrepid state legislators are trying to change all that!  They care so much about people who are pregnant, you see, that they want to force them to carry dead or dying fetuses inside them until their body either becomes infected while it rots in their tummies (this is called sepsis, and it makes people very sick, and can even kill them!), or forces it out naturally in a gush of blood and fluids!  Isn’t that so caring of them?  I’m so glad they’re around to make those decisions for me!  And if a pregnant person is not allowed to terminate an unviable fetus, in some states, they have to carry the child to term, give birth to it, and then watch it die in their arms because its lungs weren’t developed, or its brain formed outside its skull, or any of a million possible birth defects that will kill you just as quick as lickity-split!  Isn’t that wild?!  Of course, these people go through terrible grief, and as I mentioned, some of them may get sick and die from not being able to abort dead or dying fetuses.  But I guess that’s just A-okay with you, huh?

    Basically, I think before you suggest adoption as a universal alternative, you should actually go do some research on adoption.  And before you condemn abortion, you should do some research on abortions - not the stuff your church is giving you, the stuff the real doctors are saying.  Go to Planned Parenthood (if they haven’t all been closed down, ROFLMAO!) and request whatever information they have on the process, the statistics of who has abortions and why… and actually, all of that is on the interwebs!  Isn’t technology AMAZING?

    And in closing, since I’ve been asked this question many times and I know it’s coming?  Yes, I realize I am here talking to you because I was not aborted.  But the thing is, if my mother had chosen abortion, I wouldn’t know the difference, so it wouldn’t matter to me.  And if she decided that choice was best for her, then that choice would have been best for her, and I would never want to take that choice away from her.  As it is, since I was given up for adoption, and since I have seen the statistics on how badly people who give their children up for adoption suffer, I have spent much of my adult life worrying about her, whether she’s healthy, whether she’s okay, and feeling that if she did suffer from any of the common post-birth symptoms, it is at least partially my fault, even though she made that decision on her own.  Which is silly, I know, but at some point, all children have to stare down the consequences of their parents’ having them.  For some, that’s poverty.  For others, a life-time of their parents struggling to treat and care for a severe illness or disability.  For others, it’s wondering if their mother ever got over giving them away, and wishing you could reach out and assure her that it’s okay, she doesn’t have to be haunted.

    May your birth control never fail!

    Pro.

    Sonneillonv deserves a mother fucking standing ovation here.

    Slow clap.

    this is my favorite post because i think it’s the strongest argument for how abortion isn’t wrong and adoption is not always a solution so people should start researching and not just believing what ever is being shoved down their throats at church. This is not a slow clap this is thunderous boom of people all over the world saying thank you

    (via skepticalavenger)

  2. goodreasonnews:

cheesecakeczar:

bagginshires:

The things I find on Facebook.  This picture doesn’t even make any sense. The fetuses of those three animals cannot even be compared to the fetus of a human because all of those animals are endangered.  The human race is already past 7 billion.  Aside from that, abortion is meant to be a states rights issue, not something that is protected or otherwise by federal law.  I, for one, am all for abortion - I, as a male, am incapable of becoming pregnant, and I don’t feel as though I, or anyone else for that matter, should be able to tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her own body.  This picture, though, is pure ignorance.

They are also individual beings, able to breath and digest on their own.

Human fetuses are protected by law in the exact same way those other fetuses are. If the mother of Loggerhead Sea Turtle crushes one of her eggs, she is not arrested. If a third party comes along and crushes that egg, that person is arrested. If a mother human gets an abortion, she is not arrested. If a third party comes along and forces an abortion on her, that person is arrested. Flaw identified. You may now commence your apology. (is what you can tell whoever posted this) goodreasonnews:

cheesecakeczar:

bagginshires:

The things I find on Facebook.  This picture doesn’t even make any sense. The fetuses of those three animals cannot even be compared to the fetus of a human because all of those animals are endangered.  The human race is already past 7 billion.  Aside from that, abortion is meant to be a states rights issue, not something that is protected or otherwise by federal law.  I, for one, am all for abortion - I, as a male, am incapable of becoming pregnant, and I don’t feel as though I, or anyone else for that matter, should be able to tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her own body.  This picture, though, is pure ignorance.

They are also individual beings, able to breath and digest on their own.

Human fetuses are protected by law in the exact same way those other fetuses are. If the mother of Loggerhead Sea Turtle crushes one of her eggs, she is not arrested. If a third party comes along and crushes that egg, that person is arrested. If a mother human gets an abortion, she is not arrested. If a third party comes along and forces an abortion on her, that person is arrested. Flaw identified. You may now commence your apology. (is what you can tell whoever posted this)
    High Resolution

    goodreasonnews:

    cheesecakeczar:

    bagginshires:

    The things I find on Facebook.  This picture doesn’t even make any sense. The fetuses of those three animals cannot even be compared to the fetus of a human because all of those animals are endangered.  The human race is already past 7 billion.  Aside from that, abortion is meant to be a states rights issue, not something that is protected or otherwise by federal law.  I, for one, am all for abortion - I, as a male, am incapable of becoming pregnant, and I don’t feel as though I, or anyone else for that matter, should be able to tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her own body.  This picture, though, is pure ignorance.

    They are also individual beings, able to breath and digest on their own.

    Human fetuses are protected by law in the exact same way those other fetuses are. If the mother of Loggerhead Sea Turtle crushes one of her eggs, she is not arrested. If a third party comes along and crushes that egg, that person is arrested. If a mother human gets an abortion, she is not arrested. If a third party comes along and forces an abortion on her, that person is arrested. Flaw identified. You may now commence your apology. (is what you can tell whoever posted this)

  3. cognitivedissonance:

jackpowerx:

the1janitor:

preciouscreativeminds:

purifyed:

the-lottie-project:

well-loki-here:

thatdudedevin:

No. You had sex with a girl when you were a child. It ended in pregnancy. You are attacking the morality of a 14 year old girl who terminated a pregnancy that would have resulted in a child that neither you or her had the capacity to care for. A girl that preserved your and her own youth, and stopped a child being raised in circumstances that are not fit for any child. You really should be assessing your own morality. What kind of 14 year old boy fucks a 14 year old girl, without protection, gets her pregnant and then runs an online smear campaign against her for doing what was best for her, her family and you? What? You think you had the capacity to raise a child at age 14/15? How would you feed it or look after it? You wouldn’t. You were going to dump it on her or your own parents, live like the carefree little shit you are and occasionally play with the child when you could be bothered and think “Wow, what a good, brave young father I am.” You made the mistake, she went through the trauma of saving your youth for you. You owe her so much better than this. You absolutely disgust me. Less than forward-slash three, you’re real fucking remorseful. That’s poetry that is. You’re breaking my heart kid. That girl should have every right to decide what she wants to do to her body. The idea that you should take responsibility and give birth implies that you are responsible to this fetus and you owe it something. A pregnant person does not owe a fetus anything any more than they owe you an apology for being alive. Try again, pro lifers. Pro-Choice.

^ said it like it is. 100% right.

I really hope he sees this.

oh yeah i especially love how he says ‘my son’ rather than ‘our son.’ what an self-entitled fucking asshole.

I agree 1000000%

get wrecked

Perfect commentary is perfect


All of this.

    cognitivedissonance:

    jackpowerx:

    the1janitor:

    preciouscreativeminds:

    purifyed:

    the-lottie-project:

    well-loki-here:

    thatdudedevin:

    No. You had sex with a girl when you were a child. It ended in pregnancy. You are attacking the morality of a 14 year old girl who terminated a pregnancy that would have resulted in a child that neither you or her had the capacity to care for. A girl that preserved your and her own youth, and stopped a child being raised in circumstances that are not fit for any child. You really should be assessing your own morality. What kind of 14 year old boy fucks a 14 year old girl, without protection, gets her pregnant and then runs an online smear campaign against her for doing what was best for her, her family and you? What? You think you had the capacity to raise a child at age 14/15? How would you feed it or look after it? You wouldn’t. You were going to dump it on her or your own parents, live like the carefree little shit you are and occasionally play with the child when you could be bothered and think “Wow, what a good, brave young father I am.” You made the mistake, she went through the trauma of saving your youth for you. You owe her so much better than this. You absolutely disgust me. Less than forward-slash three, you’re real fucking remorseful. That’s poetry that is. You’re breaking my heart kid. That girl should have every right to decide what she wants to do to her body. The idea that you should take responsibility and give birth implies that you are responsible to this fetus and you owe it something. A pregnant person does not owe a fetus anything any more than they owe you an apology for being alive. Try again, pro lifers. Pro-Choice.

    ^ said it like it is. 100% right.

    I really hope he sees this.

    oh yeah i especially love how he says ‘my son’ rather than ‘our son.’ what an self-entitled fucking asshole.

    I agree 1000000%

    get wrecked

    Perfect commentary is perfect

    All of this.

  4. goddamntoothbrush:

cheesecakeczar:

antichoicescreencraps:

An anti-choice graphic.

Because if the car leaves the garage, IT IS DESTROYED. 

I never wanted what you parked in my garage, and I’m getting rid of it.I never wanted what you parked in my hangar, and I’m getting rid of it.I never wanted what you parked in my body, and I’m getting rid of it.
Nothing and no one is allowed to occupy my body without my consent.

Here we see what we’ve known all along: that the anti-choice movement has serious trouble seeing women as much else besides hollow vessels (for the storage of ironically masculine objects). One of these things is not like the other: a garage, an airplane hangar, a woman’s body.

    goddamntoothbrush:

    cheesecakeczar:

    antichoicescreencraps:

    An anti-choice graphic.

    Because if the car leaves the garage, IT IS DESTROYED. 

    I never wanted what you parked in my garage, and I’m getting rid of it.
    I never wanted what you parked in my hangar, and I’m getting rid of it.
    I never wanted what you parked in my body, and I’m getting rid of it.

    Nothing and no one is allowed to occupy my body without my consent.

    Here we see what we’ve known all along: that the anti-choice movement has serious trouble seeing women as much else besides hollow vessels (for the storage of ironically masculine objects). One of these things is not like the other: a garage, an airplane hangar, a woman’s body.

    (Source: antichoicescreencaps)

  5. Catholic bishops announce new rule: No more saying a fetus is not a person just to win a lawsuit

    How convenient!

    (Source: diadoumenos)

  6. "Obamacare stands to cut abortion rates by 75%. And yet, the pro-life movement has been leveraged in opposition to Obamacare, and most especially in opposition to the birth control mandate. They don’t believe women should be guaranteed access to free contraception even though this access is the number one proven best way to decrease the number of abortions. That access would, to use the rhetoric of the pro-life movement, prevent the murders of 900,000 unborn babies every year."

  7. Catholic Hospital Chain Wins Lawsuit by Arguing Fetus Is Not a Person

    A Catholic health provider has abandoned its beliefs by arguing that a dead fetus and a dead person are not the same thing in order to win a malpractice lawsuit.

    The case stems from the death of 31-year-old Lori Stodghill, who was pregnant with twins when she died of a heart attack in 2006. The woman’s husband, Jeremy, filed a wrongful death suit against the faith-based, nonprofit hospital chain Catholic Health Initiatives, alleging its decision not to perform a perimortem cesarean section led to the deaths of the twins.

    The health provider was able to win that lawsuit by arguing—against its own religious doctrine—that a fetus is not a person. The hospital chain’s strategy demonstrates that, in the end, greed and money ultimately triumph over principles and beliefs.

    (Source: azspot)

  8. confrontingbabble-on:

Republican madness: House Bill 206, introduced by state Rep. Cathrynn Brown (R), would charge a rape victim who ended her pregnancy with a third-degree felony for “tampering with evidence.”
Pat Davis of ProgressNow New Mexico, a progressive nonprofit opposing the bill, called it “blatantly unconstitutional” on Thursday.“The bill turns victims of rape and incest into felons and forces them to become incubators of evidence for the state,” he said. “According to Republican philosophy, victims who are ‘legitimately raped’ will now have to carry the fetus to term in order to prove their case.“
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/24/new-mexico-abortion-bill_n_2541894.html

    confrontingbabble-on:

    Republican madness: House Bill 206, introduced by state Rep. Cathrynn Brown (R), would charge a rape victim who ended her pregnancy with a third-degree felony for “tampering with evidence.”

    Pat Davis of ProgressNow New Mexico, a progressive nonprofit opposing the bill, called it “blatantly unconstitutional” on Thursday.

    “The bill turns victims of rape and incest into felons and forces them to become incubators of evidence for the state,” he said. “According to Republican philosophy, victims who are ‘legitimately raped’ will now have to carry the fetus to term in order to prove their case.“

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/24/new-mexico-abortion-bill_n_2541894.html

  9. "If those who oppose abortion really believes that abortion is murder, they should be supporting programs that would make it easier for poor women to afford to carry pregnancies to term. Instead, they’re doing the opposite. Overwhelmingly, those who oppose abortion also want to cut welfare and medicaid. Without these programs, the number of women who choose abortion because they cannot afford to carry a given pregnancy to term will rise. Further, they are working against things like paid maternity leave, subsidized daycare, and universal health insurance for children, programs which would likely decrease the number of women who choose abortion because they cannot afford to carry a pregnancy to term. And in this specific case, conservatives want to penalize a poor woman who chooses to carry a pregnancy to term by making it harder for her to make ends meet."

  10. confrontingbabble-on:

3 Ways Conservative Christianity’s Obsessions Promote Abortions
One of the great ironies of American society is that most abortions in the U.S. are caused by conservative Christians. Read the statistics: Forty nine percent of pregnancies in this country are unintended, a rate that has been painfully stable for almost 30 years. Almost half of those pregnancies end in abortion.
Or, to turn it around, over 90% of U.S. abortions are the result of accidental pregnancy. U.S. rates of unwanted pregnancy and abortion far exceed any other country with similar economic development.  So does our rate of religiosity.  The fact that we are outliers on both is not a coincidence. Three aspects of conservative Christianity promote abortion:  pro-natalism, an obsession with sexual sin, and an emphasis on righteousness over compassion.   1. Biblical Christianity is not pro life. It is not even pro human life. Steven Pinker recently estimated that the Old Testament alone describes 1.2 million deaths at the hand of Yahweh or his servants. It is, however, pro-birth. Be fruitful and multiply.(Genesis 1:28) Women will be saved through childbearing. (1 Timothy 2:15). Martin Luther, leader of the Protestant reformation, put it in his own words: “If a woman grows weary and at last dies from childbearing, it matters not.  Let her only die from bearing; she is there to do it.” Christian competitive breeding, a strategy for increasing adherents, is at the heart of the Catholic anti-contraceptive stance and the Protestant Quiverfull movement.  2. Mama’s baby, papa’s maybe. We all know what it means. By the time the Abrahamic religions emerged, the male desire to invest in only their own offspring had taken the form of men owning women. You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor. (Exodus 20:17) Women caught in adultery (or missing their hymens) were killed by the ancient Hebrews, just as they are by some conservative Muslims today. Christianity’s obsession with sexual sin or rather with female purity has produced the American virginity myth. In contrast to more secular, open societies, American teens typically don’t seek contraception for a year after becoming sexually active. Contraception would make them guilty of the sin of premeditated sex.3. 38,000. That’s the number of Christian denominations. Ever wondered why? Traditional Christianity is about right belief, orthodoxy, rather than right living. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved. Acts 16:31 Contrast this with the central virtue of Buddhism, ahimsa, or non-harm. “Catholic” (meaning universal) and “Orthodox” (meaning right belief) are competing turf stakes from one of the first splits after Christianity beat out paganism. But schism and fracture are just one consequence of beliefism. Many believers would rather be right than in community. They’d rather be right than compassionate. They’d rather be right than solve problems. They would rather oppose abortion than prevent it.    The numbers are in. The most effective way to reduce abortion is to de-stigmatize sexual education, de-mythologize virginity, and invest in broad access to the most effective contraceptives available. In the highly secular Netherlands, that formula has knocked abortion down to 7 per 1000 women annually, one third the U.S. rate.
So why does the Religious Right keep their focus on restrictive laws instead of contraceptive access? Why do they promote person-rights for zygotes, in contradiction to the very essence of personhood?  Why do they oppose medically accurate sex ed? Why do they pledge to defund Title X family planning?Because abortion isn’t really what interests them. They want purity. They want righteousness. Some want designated breeders. Even those who don’t consciously promote more births are subject to the competitive strategies that were baked into the desert religions from the beginning. The world is on the cusp of a contraceptive revolution. Compared to the best birth control available to your parents (the Pill), latest generation long-acting reversible contraceptives, also known as LARCs, drops accidental pregnancy by 10 to 50 fold. Each year one in twelve women on the Pill gets pregnant. Over a lifetime, that’s two or three extra pregnancies per woman – unsought children or abortions. With a hormonal IUD or implant, that drops to one in 500, because a LARC toggles the fertility default to “off.”  If that wasn’t enough, some LARC’s also get rid of that messy monthly uncleanness (Leviticus 15:19-24) brought on by Eve’s curse. Someone who wanted to prevent abortions would advocate showcasing LARCs in every teen health class in the country. They would make sure that the most effective contraceptives available were available to all. They would be more focused on wise childbearing than on virginity. Those who say they are all about ending abortion, don’t—because they aren’t.Valerie Tarico is a psychologist and writerread in full at http://www.alternet.org/story/153869/3_ways_conservative_christianity%27s_obsessions_promote_abortions?paging=off

    confrontingbabble-on:

    3 Ways Conservative Christianity’s Obsessions Promote Abortions

    One of the great ironies of American society is that most abortions in the U.S. are caused by conservative Christians. Read the statistics: Forty nine percent of pregnancies in this country are unintended, a rate that has been painfully stable for almost 30 years. Almost half of those pregnancies end in abortion.

    Or, to turn it around, over 90% of U.S. abortions are the result of accidental pregnancy. U.S. rates of unwanted pregnancy and abortion far exceed any other country with similar economic development.  So does our rate of religiosity.  The fact that we are outliers on both is not a coincidence.

    Three aspects of conservative Christianity promote abortion:  pro-natalism, an obsession with sexual sin, and an emphasis on righteousness over compassion.  

    1. Biblical Christianity is not pro life. It is not even pro human life. Steven Pinker recently estimated that the Old Testament alone describes 1.2 million deaths at the hand of Yahweh or his servants. It is, however, pro-birth. Be fruitful and multiply.(Genesis 1:28) Women will be saved through childbearing. (1 Timothy 2:15). Martin Luther, leader of the Protestant reformation, put it in his own words: “If a woman grows weary and at last dies from childbearing, it matters not.  Let her only die from bearing; she is there to do it.” Christian competitive breeding, a strategy for increasing adherents, is at the heart of the Catholic anti-contraceptive stance and the Protestant Quiverfull movement. 

    2. Mama’s baby, papa’s maybe. We all know what it means. By the time the Abrahamic religions emerged, the male desire to invest in only their own offspring had taken the form of men owning women. You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor. (Exodus 20:17) Women caught in adultery (or missing their hymens) were killed by the ancient Hebrews, just as they are by some conservative Muslims today. Christianity’s obsession with sexual sin or rather with female purity has produced the American virginity myth. In contrast to more secular, open societies, American teens typically don’t seek contraception for a year after becoming sexually active. Contraception would make them guilty of the sin of premeditated sex.

    3. 38,000. That’s the number of Christian denominations. Ever wondered why? Traditional Christianity is about right belief, orthodoxy, rather than right living. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved. Acts 16:31 Contrast this with the central virtue of Buddhism, ahimsa, or non-harm. “Catholic” (meaning universal) and “Orthodox” (meaning right belief) are competing turf stakes from one of the first splits after Christianity beat out paganism. But schism and fracture are just one consequence of beliefism. Many believers would rather be right than in community. They’d rather be right than compassionate. They’d rather be right than solve problems. They would rather oppose abortion than prevent it.   

    The numbers are in. The most effective way to reduce abortion is to de-stigmatize sexual education, de-mythologize virginity, and invest in broad access to the most effective contraceptives available. In the highly secular Netherlands, that formula has knocked abortion down to 7 per 1000 women annually, one third the U.S. rate.

    So why does the Religious Right keep their focus on restrictive laws instead of contraceptive access? Why do they promote person-rights for zygotes, in contradiction to the very essence of personhood?  Why do they oppose medically accurate sex ed? Why do they pledge to defund Title X family planning?

    Because abortion isn’t really what interests them. They want purity. They want righteousness. Some want designated breeders. Even those who don’t consciously promote more births are subject to the competitive strategies that were baked into the desert religions from the beginning.

    The world is on the cusp of a contraceptive revolution. Compared to the best birth control available to your parents (the Pill), latest generation long-acting reversible contraceptives, also known as LARCs, drops accidental pregnancy by 10 to 50 fold. Each year one in twelve women on the Pill gets pregnant. Over a lifetime, that’s two or three extra pregnancies per woman – unsought children or abortions. With a hormonal IUD or implant, that drops to one in 500, because a LARC toggles the fertility default to “off.”  If that wasn’t enough, some LARC’s also get rid of that messy monthly uncleanness (Leviticus 15:19-24) brought on by Eve’s curse.

    Someone who wanted to prevent abortions would advocate showcasing LARCs in every teen health class in the country. They would make sure that the most effective contraceptives available were available to all. They would be more focused on wise childbearing than on virginity. Those who say they are all about ending abortion, don’t—because they aren’t.

    Valerie Tarico is a psychologist and writer

    read in full at http://www.alternet.org/story/153869/3_ways_conservative_christianity%27s_obsessions_promote_abortions?paging=off

    (via skepticalavenger)

  11. stfuhypocrisy:

laprocket:


D:



What a pro-choice blogger thinks: 



I’m just wondering how they figure a fetus has an internal monolog without a grasp of language.. Or how it would have any concept of “my mom” or “killing”. Do pro-lifers think that fetuses are hanging out  in utero contemplating existentialism and morality? stfuhypocrisy:

laprocket:


D:



What a pro-choice blogger thinks: 



I’m just wondering how they figure a fetus has an internal monolog without a grasp of language.. Or how it would have any concept of “my mom” or “killing”. Do pro-lifers think that fetuses are hanging out  in utero contemplating existentialism and morality?
    High Resolution

    stfuhypocrisy:

    laprocket:

    D:

    What a pro-choice blogger thinks: 


    image

    I’m just wondering how they figure a fetus has an internal monolog without a grasp of language.. Or how it would have any concept of “my mom” or “killing”. Do pro-lifers think that fetuses are hanging out in utero contemplating existentialism and morality?

    (via stfueverything)

  12. skepticalavenger:

    You know, just pick an age and at least TRY to have some consistency.

    (Source: catbushandludicrous)

  13. professorgoogoo:

WELL. Today I’m getting ~~controversial~~. Sorry if I freak out any of my followers.There is a widespread and deeply shallow and misinformed view in the anti-abortion community that most abortions are performed for ‘convenience’. For the ‘convenience’ of the pregnant person.Presumably, this means that giving birth against your will is ‘inconvenient’.Giving birth. Against your will. ‘Inconvenient’.I find it hard to believe that anyone who has this mind-set has any remote understanding of pregnancy or childbirth. Or the reasons why someone would not want to go through it. This is the mind-set that allows people to justify forcing someone to give birth against their will. That allows people to justify the torture of women because they had the audacity to have consensual sex.People argue about the sentience and possible pain of an aborted embryo. No one argues about the psychological and physical pain and trauma felt by a woman who is forced to give birth when she wanted an abortion but was denied one. In reality, when someone wants an abortion but cannot get one legally, most people will seek dangerous illegal alternatives. These unsafe abortions cost one woman her life every 10 minutes, and millions more suffer serious complications each year. almost 100% of which are totally avoidable. I recommend giving this fact sheet from the Guttmacher institute read.But anti-abortionists don’t advocate illegal abortions, they advocate forced childbirth. Like in the picture. I had trouble capturing the anguish that she would be feeling. I hope that the picture sort of comes close to driving the point home.I was driven to do this confronting picture after reading comments from the probable future Prime Minister of this country (one of the lessors of the awful shit that he’s said) which echoed this dumb-ass sentiment. It reminded me of how many times I had heard this ignorant statement before.“The problem with the Australian practice of abortion is that an objectively grave matter has been reduced to a question of the mother’s convenience.”Tony Abbot doesn’t know a thing. Seriously, fuck that.
professorgoogoo:

WELL. Today I’m getting ~~controversial~~. Sorry if I freak out any of my followers.There is a widespread and deeply shallow and misinformed view in the anti-abortion community that most abortions are performed for ‘convenience’. For the ‘convenience’ of the pregnant person.Presumably, this means that giving birth against your will is ‘inconvenient’.Giving birth. Against your will. ‘Inconvenient’.I find it hard to believe that anyone who has this mind-set has any remote understanding of pregnancy or childbirth. Or the reasons why someone would not want to go through it. This is the mind-set that allows people to justify forcing someone to give birth against their will. That allows people to justify the torture of women because they had the audacity to have consensual sex.People argue about the sentience and possible pain of an aborted embryo. No one argues about the psychological and physical pain and trauma felt by a woman who is forced to give birth when she wanted an abortion but was denied one. In reality, when someone wants an abortion but cannot get one legally, most people will seek dangerous illegal alternatives. These unsafe abortions cost one woman her life every 10 minutes, and millions more suffer serious complications each year. almost 100% of which are totally avoidable. I recommend giving this fact sheet from the Guttmacher institute read.But anti-abortionists don’t advocate illegal abortions, they advocate forced childbirth. Like in the picture. I had trouble capturing the anguish that she would be feeling. I hope that the picture sort of comes close to driving the point home.I was driven to do this confronting picture after reading comments from the probable future Prime Minister of this country (one of the lessors of the awful shit that he’s said) which echoed this dumb-ass sentiment. It reminded me of how many times I had heard this ignorant statement before.“The problem with the Australian practice of abortion is that an objectively grave matter has been reduced to a question of the mother’s convenience.”Tony Abbot doesn’t know a thing. Seriously, fuck that.
    High Resolution

    professorgoogoo:

    WELL. Today I’m getting ~~controversial~~. Sorry if I freak out any of my followers.

    There is a widespread and deeply shallow and misinformed view in the anti-abortion community that most abortions are performed for ‘convenience’. For the ‘convenience’ of the pregnant person.
    Presumably, this means that giving birth against your will is ‘inconvenient’.
    Giving birth. Against your will.
    ‘Inconvenient’.
    I find it hard to believe that anyone who has this mind-set has any remote understanding of pregnancy or childbirth. Or the reasons why someone would not want to go through it. This is the mind-set that allows people to justify forcing someone to give birth against their will. That allows people to justify the torture of women because they had the audacity to have consensual sex.

    People argue about the sentience and possible pain of an aborted embryo. No one argues about the psychological and physical pain and trauma felt by a woman who is forced to give birth when she wanted an abortion but was denied one.
    In reality, when someone wants an abortion but cannot get one legally, most people will seek dangerous illegal alternatives. These unsafe abortions cost one woman her life every 10 minutes, and millions more suffer serious complications each year. almost 100% of which are totally avoidable. I recommend giving this fact sheet from the Guttmacher institute read.
    But anti-abortionists don’t advocate illegal abortions, they advocate forced childbirth. Like in the picture. I had trouble capturing the anguish that she would be feeling. I hope that the picture sort of comes close to driving the point home.

    I was driven to do this confronting picture after reading comments from the probable future Prime Minister of this country (one of the lessors of the awful shit that he’s said) which echoed this dumb-ass sentiment. It reminded me of how many times I had heard this ignorant statement before.
    “The problem with the Australian practice of abortion is that an objectively grave matter has been reduced to a question of the mother’s convenience.”
    Tony Abbot doesn’t know a thing. Seriously, fuck that.

    (via aninterestingdebate)

  14. How The Bible began saying life begins at conception

    Evangelical anti-abortion advocacy rests on a surprisingly flimsy foundation. And exposing that fact makes establishment evangelical leaders nervous.

  15. "A woman has died because Galway University Hospital refused to perform an abortion needed to prevent serious risk to her life,” Ms Daly said. “This is a situation we were told would never arise. An unviable foetus – the woman was having a miscarriage – was given priority over the woman’s life, who unfortunately and predictably developed septicaemia and died."

     -

    Independent inquiry into Savita death ‘not ruled out’ - Kenny - The Irish Times - Wed, Nov 14, 2012 (via rachelfershleiser)

    “This is a situation we were told would never arise”? Are you fucking kidding me? Pro-choice people, including plenty in the medical community, have been telling you for decades that this is a situation that can and does arise. If you chose to believe that this situation could never happen in spite of all medical and factual evidence to the contrary, it’s your fucking fault for choosing to stick your fingers in your ears and sing “lalalalalalala” while living, breathing human beings were put at risk by your refusal to listen.

    Everyone who bought into the lie that an abortion to save a mother’s life is a myth because it interferes with the Catholic church’s teachings that a woman’s body is never her own has this woman’s blood on their hands, and I hope that if the hell they all believe in exists, they rot in it for all eternity.

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