Chronicling the follies of religion and superstition, the virtues of skepticism, and the wonders of the real (natural) universe as revealed by science. Plus other interesting and educational stuff.
"Tell people there’s an invisible man in the sky who created the universe, and the vast majority believe you. Tell them the paint is wet, and they have to touch it to be sure."
“If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed”.
“Skeptical scrutiny is the means, in both science and religion, by which deep thoughts can be winnowed from deep nonsense.”
Rick Warren stirs up a tweet storm. It’s been awhile since he emitted some stupidity on the Twitter, so I guess it was time to cast out again a nebulous and offensive remark to the social media sphere. Then he doubled down by channeling David Barton with a crack about the “Declartion Signers” — a claim easily disproven — The truth is that only four of the 56 signers of the Declaration went to college to study theology, and only two, John Witherspoon and Lyman Hall, stuck with it and became ministers, but Hall was booted out of his church for some moral indiscretion and decided to become a doctor instead of a minister. Of the other two, one became a lawyer and the other became a merchant.
I’ll let others address the biblical illiteracy and uninformed theology. Still, it’s surprising to me, given that Rick Warren possesses a Doctor of Ministry degree from Fuller Theological Seminary — I just would assume better discernment here. But the more he opens his word hole, he strikes me as more and more unenlightened. And displays a spirit quite contrary to his Twitter profile tagline. But I just wanted to enter a few thoughts on some other aspects of this micro-missive.
First, what exactly is the definition of liberal theology. Warren offered up no followup discourse to reply queries asking for clarification. Does it mean homosexual affirming churches? Or just seminary eggheads who spend most of their days with their eyes affixed to weighty tomes? Or is it about those church denominations that are egalitarian champions and believe in female pastors, ministers, and priests? Or is it anyone that deviates at all from Southern Baptist and/or conservative evangelical doctrine? We don’t know and must guess because it seems Warren is content just to launch an incendiary remark with no additional comment.
Second, I think this quote juxtaposed against Warren’s tweet is percipient:
Surprising as it may seem to some, Protestantism is thus essentially liberal, in the classical sense of allowing, and even encouraging, diversity of interpretation, the right of dissent, and personal freedom of belief. It calls for liberty of conscience, as a condition of its own existence — even though it sometimes practises intolerance of disagreement within its own fellowships. It calls for the equality of all before God. In rejecting a central teaching authority and in insisting upon an open Bible, which all can interpret for themselves, it undermines any spiritual hierarchy — even though it has reinforced many social hierarchies in its church organisation. It calls for fraternity and brotherly love and fellowship, in rejecting any distinction of clergy and laity, any special class of ‘religious’, and in stressing the participation of all in the communion service and in the running of the churches — even though some of its tracts are still filled with vitriol against Christians of different persuasions.
Rick Warren (via mighty2save)
I don’t believe in God at all, and life makes perfect sense.
But thanks for the condescension.
God is really fucked up if he makes people who are born into nothing but starvation abuse mutilation and suffering just for his own kicks.
“Life won’t ever make sense if you don’t accept the least sensical thing ever as unquestioned fact.”
I’m good without god, thanks.
Useless pastor being useless. Contrary to popular belief, Rick Warren is in the business of convincing thousands (nay, millions) of people that their life is pointless unless they believe what he believes. So, to Rick I offer a hearty FUCK YOU.