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"Tell people there’s an invisible man in the sky who created the universe, and the vast majority believe you. Tell them the paint is wet, and they have to touch it to be sure."

-George Carlin

“If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed”.

-Albert Einstein

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  1. confrontingbabble-on:

A 1998 survey of ten thousand American believers revealed the top seven reasons people believed in a god (Zeus or Lord Vishnu or Quetzalcoatl etc) was:
1. being raised in a religious manner

2. parents’ religiosity
3. lower levels of education
4. being female
5. a large family
6. lack of conflict with parents
7. being younger
When asked why they believed, they answered:
1. The good design / natural beauty / perfection / complexity of the world or universe (28.6%) 2. The experience of God in everyday life (20.6%) 3. Belief in God is comforting, relieving, consoling, and gives meaning and purpose to life (10.3%) 4.The Bible says so (9.8%) 5. Just because / faith / the need to believe in something (8.2%)
When asked why they thought others believed, they answered:
1. Belief in God is comforting, relieving, consoling, and gives meaning and purpose to life (26.3%) 2. Religious people have been raised to believe in God (22.4%) 3. The experience of God in everyday life (16.2%) 4. Just because / faith / the need to believe in something (13.0%) 5. Fear death and the unknown (9.1%) 6. The good design / natural beauty / perfection / complexity of the world or universe (6.0%)
“these results are evidence of an intellectual attribution bias, in which people consider their own beliefs as being rationally motivated, whereas they see the beliefs of others as being emotionally driven….(or) how they were raised”
http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/2006/08/Who-Believes-In-God-And-Why.aspx?p=1#
and http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/2006/08/Who-Believes-In-God-And-Why.aspx?p=2

    confrontingbabble-on:

    A 1998 survey of ten thousand American believers revealed the top seven reasons people believed in a god (Zeus or Lord Vishnu or Quetzalcoatl etc) was:

    1. being raised in a religious manner

    2. parents’ religiosity

    3. lower levels of education

    4. being female

    5. a large family

    6. lack of conflict with parents

    7. being younger

    When asked why they believed, they answered:

    1. The good design / natural beauty / perfection / complexity of the world or universe (28.6%)
    2. The experience of God in everyday life (20.6%)
    3. Belief in God is comforting, relieving, consoling, and gives meaning and purpose to life (10.3%)
    4.The Bible says so (9.8%)
    5. Just because / faith / the need to believe in something (8.2%)

    When asked why they thought others believed, they answered:

    1. Belief in God is comforting, relieving, consoling, and gives meaning and purpose to life (26.3%)
    2. Religious people have been raised to believe in God (22.4%)
    3. The experience of God in everyday life (16.2%)
    4. Just because / faith / the need to believe in something (13.0%)
    5. Fear death and the unknown (9.1%)
    6. The good design / natural beauty / perfection / complexity of the world or universe (6.0%)

    “these results are evidence of an intellectual attribution bias, in which people consider their own beliefs as being rationally motivated, whereas they see the beliefs of others as being emotionally driven….(or) how they were raised”

    http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/2006/08/Who-Believes-In-God-And-Why.aspx?p=1#

    and http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/2006/08/Who-Believes-In-God-And-Why.aspx?p=2

  2. skepticalavenger:

he can’t even say “hi” skepticalavenger:

he can’t even say “hi”
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    skepticalavenger:

    he can’t even say “hi”

  3. "It is not snobbish to notice the way in which people show their gullibility and their herd instinct, and their wish, or perhaps their need, to be credulous and to be fooled. This is an ancient problem. Credulity may be a form of innocence, and even innocuous in itself, but it provides a standing invitation for the wicked and the clever to exploit their brothers and sisters, and is thus one of humanity’s great vulnerabilities."

     - Christopher Hitchens, God Is Not Great. p161

    (Source: confrontingbabble-on)

  4. Atheism to Defeat Religion By 2038 (?)

    Countries with the best standard of living are turning atheist. That shift offers a glimpse into the world’s future.

    Religious people are annoyed by claims that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

    The view that religious belief will give way to atheism is known as the secularization thesis. The specific version that I favor (1) is known as the existential security hypothesis. The basic idea is that as people become more affluent, they are less worried about lacking for basic necessities, or dying early from violence or disease. In other words they are secure in their own existence. They do not feel the need to appeal to supernatural entities to calm their fears and insecurities.

    The notion that improving living conditions are associated with a decline in religion is supported by a mountain of evidence (1,2,3).

    That does not prevent some serious scholars, like political scientist Eric Kaufmann (4), from making the opposite case that religious fundamentalists will outbreed the rest of us. Yet, noisy as they can be, such groups are tiny minorities of the global population and they will become even more marginalized as global prosperity increases and standards of living improve.

    Moreover, as religious fundamentalists become economically integrated, young women go to work and produce smaller families, as is currently happening for Utah’s Mormons.

    The most obvious approach to estimating when the world will switch over to being majority atheist is based on economic growth. This is logical because economic development is the key factor responsible for secularization. In deriving this estimate, I used the nine most godless countries as my touchstone (excluding Estonia as a formerly communist country).

    The countries were Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, France, Germany, Japan, Netherlands, Sweden and the United Kingdom. These nine countries averaged out at the atheist transition in 2004 (5) with exactly half of the populations disbelieving in God. Their gross domestic product (GDP) averaged $29,822 compared to $10,855 for the average country in the world. How long will it take before the world economy has expanded sufficiently that the GDP of the average country has caught up to the average for the godless countries in 2004?

    Using the average global growth rate of GDP for the past 30 years of 3.33 percent (based on International Monetary Fund data from their website), the atheist transition would occur in 2035.

    Belief in God is not the only relevant measure of religion, of course. A person might believe in God in a fairly superficial way without religion affecting his or her daily life. One way of assessing the depth of religious commitment is to ask survey participants whether they think that religion is important in their daily lives as the Gallup Organization has done in worldwide nationally representative surveys.

    If fewer than 50 percent of the population agreed that religion was important to them, then the country has effectively crossed over to a secular majority. The godless countries by religiosity were Spain, South Korea, Canada, Switzerland, Uruguay, Germany and France. At a growth rate of 3.33 percent per year it would be 2041 before the average country in the world would be at an equivalent level of affluence as these godless nations.

    If national wealth drives secularization, the global population will cross an atheist threshold where the majority see religion as unimportant by 2041.

    Averaging across the two measures of atheism, the entire world population would cross the atheist threshold by about 2038 (average of 2035 for disbelief and 2041 for religiosity). Although 2038 may seem improbably fast, this requires only a shift of approximately 1 percent per year whether in religiosity or belief in God. Using the Human Development Index as a clock suggests an even earlier arrival for the atheist transition (1).

    Is the loss of religious belief something fear? Contrary to the claims of religious leaders, Godless countries are highly moral nations with an unusual level of social trust, economic equality, low crime and a high level of civic engagement (5). We could do with some of that.

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  6. Why is religion such a potent source of human violence?

    -Our religions are intrinsically incompatible with one another. Either Jesus rose from the dead and will be returning to Earth like a superhero or not; either the Koran is the infallible word of God or it isn’t. Every religion makes explicit claims about the way the world is, and the sheer profusion of these incompatible claims creates an enduring basis for conflict.

    -There is no other sphere of discourse in which human beings so fully articulate their differences from one another, or cast these differences in terms of everlasting rewards and punishments. Religion is the one endeavor in which us-them thinking achieves a transcendent significance. If a person really believes that calling God by the right name can spell the difference between eternal happiness and eternal suffering, then it becomes quite reasonable to treat heretics and unbelievers rather badly. It may even be reasonable to kill them. If a person thinks there is something that another person can say to his children that could put their souls in jeopardy for all eternity, then the heretic next door is actually far more dangerous than the child molester. The stakes of our religious differences are immeasurably higher than those born of mere tribalism, racism or politics.

    -Religious faith is a conversation-stopper. Religion is only area of our discourse in which people are systematically protected from the demand to give evidence in defense of their strongly held beliefs. And yet these beliefs often determine what they live for, what they will die for, and—all too often—what they will kill for. This is a problem, because when the stakes are high, human beings have a simple choice between conversation and violence. Only a fundamental willingness to be reasonable—to have our beliefs about the world revised by new evidence and new arguments—can guarantee that we will keep talking to one another. Certainty without evidence is necessarily divisive and dehumanizing. While there is no guarantee that rational people will always agree, the irrational are certain to be divided by their dogmas.

    -Sam Harris - An Atheist Manifesto

  7. "The trouble with people is not that they don’t know, but that they know so much that ain’t so."

     - Josh Billings

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  9. I teeter between a 6 and 7 depending on the particular concept of “god” being proposed. A lot of time people’s concept of “god” can be more accurately described as “the universe” or the laws of physics, which we can all agree do exists. It’s just that they already have names so the term “god” is unnecessary and confusing. I teeter between a 6 and 7 depending on the particular concept of “god” being proposed. A lot of time people’s concept of “god” can be more accurately described as “the universe” or the laws of physics, which we can all agree do exists. It’s just that they already have names so the term “god” is unnecessary and confusing.
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    I teeter between a 6 and 7 depending on the particular concept of “god” being proposed. A lot of time people’s concept of “god” can be more accurately described as “the universe” or the laws of physics, which we can all agree do exists. It’s just that they already have names so the term “god” is unnecessary and confusing.

    (Source: ummagumma-)

  10. Deepak Chopra’s circular reasoning exposed by a clever questioner.

  11. "Scientists do not join hands every Sunday and sing “Yes gravity is real! I know gravity is real! I will have faith! I believe in my heart that what goes up, up, up must come down, down, down. Amen!” If they did, we would think they were pretty insecure about the concept."

     -  Dan BarkerGodless: How an Evangelical Preacher Became One of America’s Leading Atheists (via thisoneandonlylife)
  12. "… beliefs and desires are information, incarnated as configurations of symbols. The symbols are the physical states of bits of matter, like chips in a computer or neurons in the brain. They symbolize things in the world because they are triggered by those things via our sense organs, and because of what they do once they are triggered. If the bits of matter that constitute a symbol are arranged to bump into the bits of matter constituting another symbol in just the right way, the symbols corresponding to one belief can give rise to new symbols corresponding to another belief logically related to it, which can give rise to symbols corresponding to other beliefs, and so on… . The computational theory of mind thus allows us to keep beliefs and desires in our explanations of behavior while planting them squarely in the physical universe. It allows meaning to cause and be caused."

     - Steven Pinker on CTM (the computational theory of Mind)

    (Source: wildcat2030)

  13. More Young People Are Moving Away From Religion, But Why?

    One-fifth of Americans are religiously unaffiliated — higher than at any time in recent U.S. history — and those younger than 30 especially seem to be drifting from organized religion. A third of young Americans say they don’t belong to any religion.

    NPR Morning Edition co-host David Greene wanted to understand why, so he gathered a roundtable of young people at a synagogue in Washington, D.C. The Historic 6th & I Synagogue seemed like the right venue: It’s both a holy and secular place that has everything from religious services to rock concerts. Greene speaks with six people — three young women and three young men — all struggling with the role of faith and religion in their lives.

    Interview highlights

  14. An alternative history of revelation.

    On January 15th, in the year 100, at precisely 12:00pm GMT, every person on earth received a simultaneous and identical revelation about the identity and expectations of the one true God. For one solid hour, humanity was stopped in its tracks as every man, woman, and child was gripped by this completely overwhelming visual and auditory experience. From the most populated towns to the most remote villages, every literate person on earth immediately wrote down what they heard and saw in clear detail with remarkable continuity leaving a pervasive global record of the experience.

    Of course, this never happened. In fact it would appear that the exact opposite has happened. We have thousands of mutually exclusive local god myths that have popped up throughout history and time and again we are presented the private and inconsistent revelations of individuals or small groups via hearsay as evidence of some cosmic imperative. As if a God wouldn’t think that we’d have any reason to honestly doubt such “evidence”.

  15. confrontingbabble-on:

Religion, in a modern, informed world…is absurd

    confrontingbabble-on:

    Religion, in a modern, informed world…is absurd

    (via skepticalavenger)